Have you seen the US marine one?
I suppose like with so many things, its not about banning what you dislike, but cogently explaining why you don't like it.
I read the news today oh boy! Page 1,309
Quote: sootyj @ September 13 2013, 2:03 PM BSTAs for censoring of coursethat's unbelievably stupid. I mean a university saying
"no you can't listen to this on our premises because we know best."
Is like a red flag dipped in amphetamine to an especially angry bull.
Also I believe you've missed the point of the ban- they're not stopping students from listening to it on Uni property, The studient union (seperate from the uni) have deemed that it is not be be played at any events in SU properties.
It's a totally different implication.
Yeah. They're not banning it to stop people hearing it, they're banning it to demonstrate their disapproval of it.
I would imagine.
I don't really see it as censorship at all. Anyone can choose what songs to play and not play at events.
Well obviously they're not going to be snatching peoples ipods away and checking for the offending song.
I assume they mean balls, discos, student uni etc. So where as no it's not a total ban. If such a thing was feasable, it is however a powerful statement on how music can be played at institutions. Which students themselves part fund and support.
Quote: zooo @ September 13 2013, 2:12 PM BSTI don't really see it as censorship at all. Anyone can choose what songs to play and not play at events.
I'm kind of with you here. They're not restricting access to it, just very publicly showing their disappropval. You've also got to remember that Unions pay a HEFTY rights bill to the music industry for the right to play copywrited material at events, and maybe they just don't want any of that fee to appear to be financially rewarding the artists and exactutives associated.
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Robin Thicke's Blurred Lines song has been banned from being played in any of the student union buildings at the University of Edinburgh."
So lets be clear this isn't "events" this is "building" I don't exactly know what that means. But I guess that means the juke box or PA in the union, not just specific events. What does it mean if a student is listening to it on their personal stereos, loud enough for the lyrics to be heard.
"The ban falls in line with an Edinburgh University Students' Association (EUSA) policy, entitled End Rape Culture and Lad Banter on Campus, to tackle "myths and stereotypes around sexual violence".
So it seems to be part of a very definite attempt to control not just social spaces, but conversation. Maybe they're right, maybe not.
But for f**ks sake can we stop pretending they're just trying to prevent Mr Thicke from getting a fiver royalties from the freshers balls.
Who even bloody cares, it's just a shit (if catchy) pop song. Not some great important art. The students are bloody lucky to have a place they can go to get away from the flipping thing.
True it's more an interesting story. I seem to remember student unions as places where angry, young people desperately tried to ban everything from, south african apples, the Jewish society and any nuclear weapons the government might choose to deposit there.
Generally failing and most people just going for cheap beer and free entertainment.
That said if Edinburgh is actually taking a stand against some dodgier bits of our sexual culture, then good for them, it might be positive.
Quote: sootyj @ September 13 2013, 2:28 PM BSTBut for f**ks sake can we stop pretending they're just trying to prevent Mr Thicke from getting a fiver royalties from the freshers balls.
Watch your tone please, sir. I only mentioned it once, in passing.
Quote: sootyj @ September 13 2013, 2:28 PM BSTSo lets be clear this isn't "events" this is "building" I don't exactly know what that means. But I guess that means the juke box or PA in the union, not just specific events. What does it mean if a student is listening to it on their personal stereos, loud enough for the lyrics to be heard.
I don't know about in Edinburgh but at my uni you weren't allowed to play your own music in SU spaces anywhere due to licensing rules.
Ok, awaits similar legislation being enforced in BCG.
(grumbles it was mentioned several times and lead to Sootyj rereading the article and further doubting his memory, which actually doesn't work very well, he's got a note from the dr and everything)
Quote: Natalie Of Wicks @ September 13 2013, 2:39 PM BSTWatch your tone please, sir. I only mentioned it once, in passing.
I don't know about in Edinburgh but at my uni you weren't allowed to play your own music in SU spaces anywhere due to licensing rules.
My day was so long ago, playing your own music involved playing a collection of minstrels to follow you around playing the tunes of Mr Williame Shakespeare on lutes.
Quote: sootyj @ September 13 2013, 2:28 PM BSTBut for f**ks sake can we stop pretending they're just trying to prevent Mr Thicke from getting a fiver royalties from the freshers balls.
I don't think that's quite Nat's point.
I used to bank with mean unethical economy-ruining Bank A.
I took my business away from them and gave it to slight better Bank B.
Bank A are unlikely to miss my business. But I'm glad I did it because it reflects the kind of person I want to be and the kind of companies I want to give my business to.
The SU don't have badger culling ceremonies during the Friday night bop, presumably because they don't approve of them and believe their clientele will feel likewise.
Same thing applies here. Thicko has every right to make his shitty music. And we have every right not to buy it. Liberalism in action.
This is why I should always let Jennie speak on my behalf.
But in this case the university student union has made it abundantly clear they are banning said song. Because they think it encourages negative attitudes to sex and it goes against a specific policy of theirs.
They haven't mentioned money once.
This is getting a little frustrating. Can you judge the university on what they actually said.
There really is no grey area on this. They may well be right,
Quote: sootyj @ September 13 2013, 2:46 PM BSTThey haven't mentioned money once.
This is getting a little frustrating.
Bloody norah, it was just a passing theory. It's you who is making a big deal of it!
Which is exactly MY point - it's not about money.
Bank A and B charge me exactly the same for overdoing it on the credit card. There is no financial consideration at all in my change of banks.
It is because by being a member of a bank I feel that I am endorsing certain things by proxy. Which I don't wish to do.
Quote: Natalie Of Wicks @ September 13 2013, 2:45 PM BSTThis is why I should always let Jennie speak on my behalf.
Sorry. It's a very bad habit of mine!