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Quote: Jennie @ September 6 2013, 7:28 PM BST

That's awful, Horseradish, and worth a quick call to the police - it's technically jury nobbling, even though it is after the verdict, and worth a bollocking at the police station at the very least.

The name thing is tricky. They really have to be read out to establish if either the defendant or witnesses are likely to know anyone. It is also part of the openness of the court process - the right of a defendant to identify those who try them.

But I can see why there would be concern.

Thanks for that advice. We didn't realise and it was a long time ago. While it was in South London, it turned out that the woman member of the jury recognised me. Weirdly, we had both been in York for the same three years so that was the connection. We focussed on that experience while all the row was going on.

It didn't worry me hugely although it was a bit unsettling. She was intending to stand as a Liberal councillor so was hardly a pushover. But it could easily have been one woman on her own in that situation with some vulnerability. I forget the details now but they had allegedly threatened someone with sawn off golf clubs!

Quote: Horseradish @ September 6 2013, 7:36 PM BST

While it was in South London,

That explains a lot. :)

Quote: sootyj @ September 6 2013, 7:36 PM BST

I think it's equally important that guilty people get let off if there is an inadequate case, as innocent people get set free. The whole adverserial system works on the basis that if you can't prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt then the accused is considered guilty.

You have a lot of extremely astute opinions Soots. I am suitably impressed.

Quote: Jennie @ September 6 2013, 7:40 PM BST

That explains a lot. :)

As a matter of genuine interest, do you know what percentage of people do jury service at least once in their lives? I have no idea.

(On the crime, they got off because they were described as wearing t-shirts along with a fuller description. The t-shirts were produced but they were standing there in jumpers. And it was all rather dramatic. Just as it seemed certain that they were guilty, they were asked to roll up their sleeves. When they did so, their arms were covered in tattoos. Tattoos had never been mentioned. It had taken hours to get to that point!)

Quote: Jennie @ September 6 2013, 7:40 PM BST

That explains a lot. :)

You have a lot of extremely astute opinions Soots. I am suitably impressed.

thanks, although I missed the not, from not guilty.

I'd have a bugler sentenced for buggery if I was a judge.

Quote: Horseradish @ September 6 2013, 7:47 PM BST

As a matter of genuine interest, do you know what percentage of people do jury service at least once in their lives? I have no idea.

(On the crime itself, they got off because they were described as wearing t-shirts
along with a fuller description. The t-shirts were produced but they were standing there in jumpers. And it was all rather dramatic. Just as it all seemed certain, they were asked to roll up their sleeves and their arms were covered in tattoos. Tattoos had never been mentioned.)

Then you did right - you weren't sure, so you acquitted. That was the right thing to do, whatever subsequently occurred.

No idea how many people are asked to do jury service. Anecdotal evidence would suggest that if you do it once you are more likely to get asked to do it again.

Quote: sootyj @ September 6 2013, 7:36 PM BST

Jewish super hero?

Thor-ah?

Quote: sootyj @ September 6 2013, 7:36 PM BST

I think it's equally important that guilty people get let off if there is an inadequate case, as innocent people get set free. The whole adverserial system works on the basis that if you can't prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt then the accused is considered guilty. Once you start adding special pleading, or political considerations then it
s a short walk off the long pier. I mean when the various terror legislation came in, the government was thinking of something like 3 months in custody without trial or charges.

I think you missed out a "NOT" in there...

Quote: Jennie @ September 6 2013, 7:40 PM BST

You have a lot of extremely astute opinions Soots. I am suitably impressed.

Did you miss the missing "NOT"

I noticed the missing not but thought it was funny enough to mention it, but not change it.

Sorry Bill I should show respect to the inventor of the English (and Welsh) languages.

Quote: sootyj @ September 6 2013, 9:01 PM BST

I noticed the missing not but thought it was funny enough to mention it, but not change it.

Sorry Bill I should show respect to the inventor of the English (and Welsh) languages.

It wasn't the language, but the fact that you reversed the whole ethos of English Law..

Yoo is guilty, Man!

The fact that Jennie missed the missing "NOT" too is a bit more worrying Cool

Quote: billwill @ September 6 2013, 9:06 PM BST

It wasn't the language, but the fact that you reversed the whole ethos of English Law..

Yoo is guilty, Man!

The fact that Jennie missed the missing "NOT" too is a bit more worrying Cool

Well I can't argue with the man who wrote the first draft of Magna Carta, why did they take out the bit about banning fighting trees?

>> Sorry Bill I should show respect to the inventor of the English (and Welsh) languages.

I speak Dragon actually, you only think I am speaking/typing English or Welsh.

Mi parolas Drako vere, vi nur pensas, ke mi parolas / skribas la angla aŭ Kimra

Quote: sootyj @ September 6 2013, 9:13 PM BST

Well I can't argue with the man who wrote the first draft of Magna Carta, why did they take out the bit about banning fighting trees?

It was the bit about the Welsh that was deleted between the first & last draft.

Quote: billwill @ September 6 2013, 9:06 PM BST

The fact that Jennie missed the missing "NOT" too is a bit more worrying Cool

I didn't miss it. I knew what he meant and chose not to mention it. :)

Twat.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2413449/Every-child-room-study-says-Gove-Education-Secretary-attacked-critics-comments-wake-Government-rules-bedroom-tax.html

Quote: Oldrocker @ September 6 2013, 9:30 PM BST

Twat.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2413449/Every-child-room-study-says-Gove-Education-Secretary-attacked-critics-comments-wake-Government-rules-bedroom-tax.html

But when everyone builds bedrooms, the tower blocks will lose their symmetry.

Incidentally Boles's old man committed the "crime" of heading up the National Trust. That could be why son is so keen to support Gove and others in turning every village green into Malaga.

Quote: Jennie @ September 6 2013, 7:20 PM BST

Excellent idea. Don't let the press/public in. Trials are a private business. No need to worry Joe Public.

I hear it works like a charm in North Korea.

Would it be possible to anonymise the defendant while still letting in the public and press?

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