It's absolutely outrageous that this can happen in the 21st century
People need to be named and shamed and sacked
And have the crap kicked out of them if I had my way
Bastards
I read the news today oh boy! Page 1,290
Quote: Godot Taxis @ September 4 2013, 6:36 PM BSTI'm not his defence barrister and I'm not advocating his innocence but I don't think it is right to name the defendant and not the plaintiff in these cases.
To a certain extent I can see your point, but it there are good public policy reasons for it.
1)This complainant is under 18. Should we really start bandying children's names about the press?
2)The anonymity provisions exist in sex cases only. There is evidence to suggest that they encourage victims to come forward in circumstances where they may as well stay quiet.
3)There is some force in the argument that the defendant should not be named either, for fear of stain on his character regardless of acquittal. But then - where does it end? All criminal charges can leave a "stain". Sex cases? Terrorism? Assault? Parking offences?
Quote: Godot Taxis @ September 4 2013, 6:36 PM BSTRe the insult - I usually let people get a few in before I respond. I'm less tolerant of GCSE feminism year 1 than I used to be.
I'm sure Nat can defend herself - but this kind of comment is beneath you.
Quote: Chappers @ September 4 2013, 11:35 PM BSTSo the bloke sentenced to life imprisonment plus 1,000 years has topped himself.
They've only got to keep in prison now for another 1,000 years.
A protester climbed up a tripod at Balcombe - causing drivers travelling along the 60mph to swerve around it. The B2036 London Road is currently closed, causing serious traffic disruption in the area.
A Sussex Police spokesman said: "The tripod was erected in the middle of the road outside the Cuadrilla drilling site at about 8.10am on Thursday and the man climbed it.
"Traffic was still flowing freely on the 60mph road at the time and drivers had to take avoiding action, adding an extra hazard to the tented community that is encamped on the verges at the site."
Getting your message across is one thing, but will motorists have sympathy for your cause if you behave like a total idiount?
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10657007.Man_on_tripod_causes_traffic_chaos_on_60mph_fracking_camp/
Quote: Jennie @ September 4 2013, 11:49 PM BSTTo a certain extent I can see your point, but it there are good public policy reasons for it.
1)This complainant is under 18. Should we really start bandying children's names about the press?
2)The anonymity provisions exist in sex cases only. There is evidence to suggest that they encourage victims to come forward in circumstances where they may as well stay quiet.
3)There is some force in the argument that the defendant should not be named either, for fear of stain on his character regardless of acquittal. But then - where does it end? All criminal charges can leave a "stain". Sex cases? Terrorism? Assault? Parking offences?
I'm sure Nat can defend herself - but this kind of comment is beneath you.
Anonymity for all if was feasable sounds like a good idea. Although there are mutterings that the secrecy on family courts allow some rum decisions.
And I dunno maybe not for kids? But for me there is something very primal that if you accuse someone of a crime, you do it in public.
nb one thing that really chilled me was operatioon Ore. When the police got the details of hundreds of men who'd been accessing child porn from a site. Thing is some of them had, had their credit cards cloned and were wholly innocent. Still went to prison, some of them killed themselves.
This story is staggering , yet , it's not even been on the news
Why???
Quote: Kevin Murphy @ September 5 2013, 3:04 PM BSTInteresting and slightly worrying.
You can't just say shit on the Internet. Legislation that once applied only to newspapers now affects us all.
Feel sorry for the guy - it is common knowledge who the complainant is. He is hardly letting fresh information into the public domain.
Quote: sootyj @ September 5 2013, 2:45 PM BSTAnonymity for all if was feasable sounds like a good idea. Although there are mutterings that the secrecy on family courts allow some rum decisions.
Exactly. Justice in secret isn't justice at all. The courts must be open to public scrutiny.
Quote: lofthouse @ September 5 2013, 3:34 PM BSTThis story is staggering , yet , it's not even been on the news
Why???
So are you finally admitting the Daily Mail is not 'news' ?
What would be the point of putting it on the main news anyway?
They've caught the bastard, he was going to go down, so he topped himself.
End of story.
But the Mail love this sort of thing
I particularly liked the perfectly sweet picture of a kid's bedroom with the word 'HORROR' under it.
That and the photograph of the children's home where nothing happened.
You would think openness would be a good thing. My daughter was the victim of an attempted assault back last year. She, brave girl as she is fought the f**ker off. However a strong suspect has been arrested and charged. But he has the right to know his accuser. So he now knows her name and he didn't before. That was very harrowing for her when she was told I can tell you.
Quote: Jennie @ September 5 2013, 3:41 PM BSTYou can't just say shit on the Internet. Legislation that once applied only to newspapers now affects us all.
Feel sorry for the guy - it is common knowledge who the complainant is. He is hardly letting fresh information into the public domain.
Exactly. Justice in secret isn't justice at all. The courts must be open to public scrutiny.
And that means openess for all?
In all these cases I'm very skewed. I'm in no way a legal bod, but I supported a couple of "vulnerable adults" in going through accusations of abuse. And I'm very glad with some who had a disfunctional take on reality. That at some point they had their stories seriously questioned.
Quote: roscoff @ September 5 2013, 3:47 PM BSTYou would think openness would be a good thing. My daughter was the victim of an attempted assault back last year. She, brave girl as she is fought the f**ker off. However a strong suspect has been arrested and charged. But he has the right to know his accuser. So he now knows her name and he didn't before. That was very harrowing for her when she was told I can tell you.
Ouch I wish her well and that's where victim protection and even providing a new identity can be important.
It's once the shutters slide down things go wrong.
There was a famous case just after the July 7 bombings, when the police carried out a raid on some suspects of terrorism. Shot and injured one, turned out to be a complete failure, bad evidence, etc etc.
So they take their computers and accuse one of having child porn. It was photos of his kids in swim suits at the beach.
In a more closed system, he could have gone to jail for vindictive face saving reasons.
Quote: roscoff @ September 5 2013, 3:47 PM BSTYou would think openness would be a good thing. My daughter was the victim of an attempted assault back last year. She, brave girl as she is fought the f**ker off. However a strong suspect has been arrested and charged. But he has the right to know his accuser. So he now knows her name and he didn't before. That was very harrowing for her when she was told I can tell you.
Blimey. Good for her fighting the bastard off, though.
Quote: roscoff @ September 5 2013, 3:47 PM BSTYou would think openness would be a good thing. My daughter was the victim of an attempted assault back last year. She, brave girl as she is fought the f**ker off. However a strong suspect has been arrested and charged. But he has the right to know his accuser. So he now knows her name and he didn't before. That was very harrowing for her when she was told I can tell you.
How awful, and how brave of your daughter. You must be very proud of her.
I can see why she would be scared - but rest assured these "men" are far too cowardly to do anything about it.
But as you say, he has every right to know the person who accuses him. That is obviously different to names being mentioned in the press.
I hope she has been able to get on with her life.
Quote: zooo @ September 5 2013, 4:03 PM BSTBlimey. Good for her fighting the bastard off, though.
That's zooo. Always taking the side of the woman! 
(But seriously, well done to your daughter Roscoff. I hope it all works out for her.)
Quote: Jennie @ September 5 2013, 4:15 PM BST
I hope she has been able to get on with her life.
It happened not long after she went to university and I was very proud of her for doing that. But yes she is getting on with her life but going back to college may be a bit more daunting. So I'm taking her back and staying over for the weekend until her friends arrive.
If ever I get my hands on him you may have a new case to consider Jennie.