Corrie Actor Michael LeVell in court today over child rape charges. The plaintiff alleges that he held a teddy bear over her mouth and raped her but she's virgo intacta.
Crown now saying he 'simulated intercourse' with her. Seriously, how is this even in court.
Not sure why the prosecutor made those comments. They are proceeding on five counts of rape, so clearly feel they have enough evidence to prove them. Rape includes oral penetration.
In any event, an intact hymen does not conclusively show that intercourse did not take place. It is simply another factor for the jury to consider when weighing up the evidence.
Quote: Godot Taxis @ September 2 2013, 5:00 PM BSTSeriously, how is this even in court.
Because there is some evidence to support the charge. The girl complained of genital soreness from a young age. Le Vell attacked the mother when he was confronted with the allegations.
Whether it is enough to convict is another matter entirely.
Are people STILL so clueless about the female body that they think a visably untorn hymen is the mark of virginity? I weep.
Quote: lofthouse @ September 1 2013, 5:32 PM BSTForget all this chemical weapons stuff - the yanks couldn't really give a shit about all that stuff, it's just an excuse
they just want to bomb the place to bits, then ensure some puppet is put in place that they can control
Like Karzai in Afghanistan
A New York Times report has revealed that unparalleled corruption in the Afghan government has been encouraged by the US Central Intelligence Agency. Since the start of the decade-long war, CIA agents have delivered cash to Afghan officials in "suitcases, backpacks and, on occasion, plastic shopping bags."
Once they've blown the f**k of out the place they will give billion dollar contracts to US companies to rebuild it all
Then it's onto Iran...
"we've found compelling evidence Iran is planning a nuclear strike on Isreal blah blah " or some other bullshit
Then they'll get the tomahawk treatment too
Karzaiis an embarrassment not a puppet
Quote: sootyj @ September 2 2013, 9:01 PM BSTKarzaiis an embarrassment not a puppet
Puppet!
He worked for a Texan oil company which wanted to build a huge gas pipeline between Afghanistan and Pakistan but couldn't while the Taliban were there
Once the yanks got rid of them they stuck Karsai in power and they own him
They control him 100%
Oh and the pipeline got built
Sure he will come out and slag off the west when we accidentally murder dozens of afghans with drones or whatever - that's just to make it look realistic
He works for the US - end of
And Ahmed Chalabi, who the yanks put in charge of Iraq after the last gulf war was part of the iraq national congress, which was funded by the CIA to the tune of millions of dollars a year - they own that corrupt c**t as well
They will already have some prick earmarked to take over Syria no doubt...
Quote: Natalie Of Wicks @ September 2 2013, 8:56 PM BSTAre people STILL so clueless about the female body that they think a visably untorn hymen is the mark of virginity? I weep.
Ahem. Close your ears, people who don't want to talk about hymens.
It's quite marked in this case that there doesn't seem to be any internal damage at all. Repeated violent rape, particularly at such a young age, would ordinarily result in some form of internal injury and probable damage to the hymen.
Big defence point that.
Quote: Jennie @ September 2 2013, 9:28 PM BSTAhem. Close your ears, people who don't want to talk about hymens.
It's quite marked in this case that there doesn't seem to be any internal damage at all. Repeated violent rape, particularly at such a young age, would ordinarily result in some form of internal injury and probable damage to the hymen.
Big defence point that.
That's quite a different statement, and one I concede sounds a fair one if the accusations are of vaginal penetration.
Quote: lofthouse @ September 2 2013, 9:15 PM BSTPuppet!
He worked for a Texan oil company which wanted to build a huge gas pipeline between Afghanistan and Pakistan but couldn't while the Taliban were there
Once the yanks got rid of them they stuck Karsai in power and they own him
They control him 100%
Oh and the pipeline got built
Sure he will come out and slag off the west when we accidentally murder dozens of afghans with drones or whatever - that's just to make it look realistic
He works for the US - end of
And Ahmed Chalabi, who the yanks put in charge of Iraq after the last gulf war was part of the iraq national congress, which was funded by the CIA to the tune of millions of dollars a year - they own that corrupt c**t as well
They will already have some prick earmarked to take over Syria no doubt...
The only people who would win an election in either country would be someone who understand the western democracy being imposed on them.
Not only that but would be best placed to up useful deals with the west.
Everyone wanted the pipeline except the Taliban.
There is no conspiracy just masses of self interest.
Quote: Natalie Of Wicks @ September 2 2013, 9:31 PM BSTThat's quite a different statement, and one I concede sounds a fair one if the accusations are of vaginal penetration.
The thing that puzzles me is if it's a weak case how did it get to court.
I used to go drinkng with some chums in the met and over a couple of rather pissed evening
Quote: Natalie Of Wicks @ September 2 2013, 9:31 PM BSTThat's quite a different statement, and one I concede sounds a fair one if the accusations are of vaginal penetration.
I think the allegations are oral and vaginal, with the some sexual assault and sexual activity with a child thrown in. A Cadbury's Selection Box of sex offending.
I'm completely with you on the hymen/virginity thing. It all goes back to all that checking the sheets in the morning bollocks.
Quote: Natalie Of Wicks @ September 2 2013, 9:31 PM BSTThat's quite a different statement, and one I concede sounds a fair one if the accusations are of vaginal penetration.
The thing that puzzles me is if it's a weak case how did it get to court.
I used to go drinkng with some chums in the met and over a couple of rather pissed evenings they pretty much convinced me no one can beat a really thorough police interrogation. Then I read about the FBI interrogations in Guantanomo and that convinced me further.
Human beings just aren't designed to lie effectively.
So if this story is bogus, so bogus that a suspect can't remember in which part of their body was assaulted.
How did it get to court?
Quote: Jennie @ September 2 2013, 9:37 PM BSTI think the allegations are oral and vaginal, with the some sexual assault and sexual activity with a child thrown in. A Cadbury's Selection Box of sex offending.
I'm completely with you on the hymen/virginity thing. It all goes back to all that checking the sheets in the morning bollocks.
I've never read so many evil words in only four sentences before. 
Quote: Gordon Bennett @ September 2 2013, 9:39 PM BSTI've never read so many evil words in only four sentences before.
Oh, my sweet, innocent little poppet. Come and spend a day with me.
Last week I had to use the immortal line: "I will not advise you further until you stop masturbating."
Quote: Gordon Bennett @ September 2 2013, 9:39 PM BSTI've never read so many evil words in only four sentences before.
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Quote: Jennie @ September 2 2013, 9:40 PM BSTOh, my sweet, innocent little poppet. Come and spend a day with me.
Last week I had to use the immortal line: "I will not advise you further until you stop masturbating."
Come on I was asking advice about masturbating and I have a lousy short term memory.
Quote: sootyj @ September 2 2013, 9:39 PM BSTSo if this story is bogus, so bogus that a suspect can't remember in which part of their body was assaulted.
How did it get to court?
It's very hard to know without seeing the evidence. I know the the CPS originally decided that there was insufficient evidence, only to charge him a year or so later.
I don't think it is that she can't remember - her evidence today was that she was raped (presumably vaginally). It is that the prosecution are backtracking to cover the lack of medical evidence, which is desperately unattractive.
We'll just have to wait and see I guess.
There's always the fear of the politically motivated prosecution, like poor old Derek Bentley and the Guilford 5.